1 00:00:05,210 --> 00:00:07,920 [Music] 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,340 thank you 3 00:00:13,340 --> 00:00:19,260 hello and welcome back to this latest edition of need to know I'm Ross Coulter and I've 4 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:24,760 been gallivanting around Australia for my day job for channel 7 TV Australia and earning 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,510 a decent crust telling stories on the road and my good friend and colleague Bryce is 6 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:36,460 able Bryce I hear you're going on strike in Hollywood is that right it's not a sure thing 7 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:41,200 you're talking about the writer's Guild of America or the WJ of which I've been a member 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,730 for almost I think 30 years now was even on the board of directors back in the past but 9 00:00:45,730 --> 00:00:53,960 yeah we negotiate with the the producers in town for a new pattern of uh payments and 10 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,460 every time there's a discussion like this the new technology always comes up I remember 11 00:00:58,460 --> 00:01:02,640 the first writer skilled thing I was involved in they were discussing what to do about VHS 12 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,909 Dave so you can see that you know things have gone on now today we're talking about streaming 13 00:01:07,909 --> 00:01:12,750 and artificial intelligence and things like that so it is always a Brave New World and 14 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:18,190 yet I would still go back to the bottom line Ross which is uh you're never going to get 15 00:01:18,190 --> 00:01:23,870 a writer who can write with the same emotion and compelling power as a real-life human 16 00:01:23,870 --> 00:01:28,570 being at least I hope so and I I think that's where we stand right now but anyway yeah it 17 00:01:28,570 --> 00:01:32,640 doesn't happen until May 1st when the contract runs out and we don't know if there'll be 18 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,970 a strike but it's possible it's possible I'm hoping I'm hoping chat GPT doesn't put us 19 00:01:37,970 --> 00:01:42,479 out of a job soon but I'll tell you I had a funny incident while I was traveling I wanted 20 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:47,409 to tell you about because picture this I'm I'm in an airport in the middle of um the 21 00:01:47,409 --> 00:01:54,070 Gold Coast in Queensland which is a bit like Las Vegas it's a very glitzy um tropical part 22 00:01:54,070 --> 00:02:00,810 of Australia and my crew and I as usual the planes late there's two hour delay and I go 23 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:06,200 and buy some drinks at the bar and as you know I've written books on Outlaw motorcycle 24 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,300 gangs and I have to be careful because there's a boss of an outlaw motorcycle gang who once 25 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:17,300 threatened to to chainsaw my head off he was slightly angry with me and I turn around and 26 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,760 literally I've got these drinks like this and I turn around at the bar and I look up 27 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,690 and this is absolutely gigantic guy in my personal space looking straight at me and 28 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:31,300 I'm thinking I'm about to get attacked I'm I'm listening for the were of the Husqvarna 29 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:38,170 and the smell of two-stroke anyway this guy puts out his meaty hand and he says you're 30 00:02:38,170 --> 00:02:43,290 Ross calls I had you and I went yeah yeah yeah I am and he went love need to know absolutely 31 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:49,860 loved me to know keep it up mate keep it up and uh boy that's a happy ending that could 32 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:55,260 have gone into a very bad bad and by the way Ross I just have to say this puts you in very 33 00:02:55,260 --> 00:03:01,500 elite company because the only other journalist I'm aware of who you know did an early uh 34 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:06,650 look into Outlaw motorcycle gangs and lived to tell if it was Hunter Thompson so that 35 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:11,950 puts you in good I love I love Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in fact Hunter's book was one 36 00:03:11,950 --> 00:03:17,120 of my early favorites now let's do some work Bryce because this is an amazing week we've 37 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:25,049 got an auspicious uh event happening in four or five days which is yet another UAP hearing 38 00:03:25,049 --> 00:03:32,409 before the Congress the armed services Committee of the Senate uh a subcommittee called the 39 00:03:32,409 --> 00:03:38,799 emerging threats subcommittee of the Senate armed services committee on Wednesday the 40 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:47,060 19th of April at 10 30 we'll call a witness Dr Sean Kirkpatrick the director of Arrow 41 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:54,761 the all domain anomaly resolution office which is the pentagon's UAP office and this is an 42 00:03:54,761 --> 00:04:02,879 opportunity for uh Mr Kirkpatrick for the first time to be questioned in public about 43 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:09,739 what he's found out in his tenure as the boss of Arrow are you expecting much Bryce because 44 00:04:09,739 --> 00:04:17,680 frankly I'm not well it depends you have to just sort of Define your expectations uh the 45 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,919 one thing I will say about this uh you know this hearing that we're having and by the 46 00:04:21,919 --> 00:04:27,610 way this show folks is our sort of our pre-hearing show and we'll be doing one immediately after 47 00:04:27,610 --> 00:04:33,270 the hearing if there's any big news made but what the one thing I do take some hope in 48 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:39,729 is that this committee chair is Senator Kirsten gillibrand of New York and she in my view 49 00:04:39,729 --> 00:04:47,780 is a UAP boss I mean when I see this woman talk about uh the subject and how she holds 50 00:04:47,780 --> 00:04:54,770 people's feet to the fire and the question she raises I'm a big fan and so even if Sean 51 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:59,930 Kirkpatrick has been dispatched there to basically say nothing to see here which I don't think 52 00:04:59,930 --> 00:05:04,860 exactly is what he's going to do but even if he's not there to make big news it doesn't 53 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:08,820 mean that the questions won't be interesting he can refuse to answer them or he can he 54 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:14,060 can say I can only talk about that in closed session or whatever but I expect the committee 55 00:05:14,060 --> 00:05:19,680 chair to set a tone of we need to get some accountability here so in that regard I am 56 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:26,360 looking for some news to be made in in that specificity and by the way because it always 57 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,080 comes up and I feel like I'm doing my duty here no one ever seems to know how to what 58 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:39,710 her real name is it's Kirsten k-i-r-s-t-n gillibrand g-i-l-l-i-b-r-a-n-d and if you 59 00:05:39,710 --> 00:05:45,010 want to follow her on Twitter because she is the chair of this coming up it's at sen 60 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:51,410 for Senator at sen gillibrand and um I think she's worth following anyway so I'm hopeful 61 00:05:51,410 --> 00:05:57,440 that she'll make a little noise well as you and I both know she held the blowtorch against 62 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,380 a senior official who clearly hadn't been properly briefed when he first appeared before 63 00:06:02,380 --> 00:06:06,810 her committee about a year ago and she has already intimated that she's not going to 64 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:10,910 be frightened of asking questions there's a great quotation from her doing the rounds 65 00:06:10,910 --> 00:06:15,310 at the moment where she was asked about crash retrievals and whether she'd have the cajonas 66 00:06:15,310 --> 00:06:21,400 to ask about Crash materials crash materials and she said we should never be afraid of 67 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,250 what we don't know I know nothing about Crash materials I don't even know if they exist 68 00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:32,319 if there are any of course they should be studied if we don't know what it is then it 69 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:41,680 is not an appropriate moment to say well then let's not look at it I mean could there be 70 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,350 anything more basic and sensible than what you just said all right if there's a lot of 71 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:51,970 stuff out there you don't know what it is and you probably have and you represent the 72 00:06:51,970 --> 00:06:57,980 people of the country then you probably ought to look into it to say oh gosh here's something 73 00:06:57,980 --> 00:07:04,190 that's a complete mystery to us let's not talk about it has been tried uh for the last 74 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:09,460 75 years off and on here in the United States anyway and I think it's time to end that and 75 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:14,930 I believe that there seems to be a growing consensus among at least people on the intelligence 76 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:20,069 and armed services committees that enough is enough and it's time to start asking the 77 00:07:20,069 --> 00:07:24,961 people uh who who know more to share their work a little bit more and and I know that 78 00:07:24,961 --> 00:07:30,100 Ross you you yourself have got some sources who have been telling you that um that's exactly 79 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:36,820 what's going on look I look I'm very cautiously optimistic but I'm not optimistic that we're 80 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:42,030 going to see a breakthrough in this particular hearing because I'm told that Mr Kirkpatrick 81 00:07:42,030 --> 00:07:47,310 in particular is a person who's reluctant to make public admissions about what I frankly 82 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:53,599 know he has been briefed on I am told that Sean Kirkpatrick has been briefed on Crash 83 00:07:53,599 --> 00:08:00,850 retrievals and on reverse engineering programs happening inside the US I'm an absolutely 84 00:08:00,850 --> 00:08:06,180 no doubt about that I've heard it from multiple sources so whether Mr Kirkpatrick chooses 85 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:12,280 to speak publicly about this is going to be his um his prerogative of course and I suspect 86 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:17,630 what we're going to hear a lot of is I can't discuss that in this forum oh I got a question 87 00:08:17,630 --> 00:08:24,259 I need to go away and I have a question for you about about what he can and cannot say 88 00:08:24,259 --> 00:08:30,220 um I just found out and I think that you can confirm he's not even going to be under oath 89 00:08:30,220 --> 00:08:36,640 when he testifies that's right and yeah and what happens right but we'll we'll Ron Moultrie 90 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:42,289 and Scott Bray weren't under oath last year so but why what's the rationale for for not 91 00:08:42,289 --> 00:08:47,339 putting people under oath to I think it's a courtesy thing from the Congress that that 92 00:08:47,339 --> 00:08:51,390 essentially you're indicating to the witness that they that you trust them because it's 93 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:57,170 still a breach of congressional rules it would still be a contempt of the Congress to lie 94 00:08:57,170 --> 00:09:03,230 to the Congress even if you're not under oath but the crime of perjury under oath is a completely 95 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:08,810 separate crime from misleading the Congress by giving false information to Congress but 96 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:13,519 I think that with friendly or Pursuit what are perceived as friendly government Witnesses 97 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,510 government bureaucrats the tradition generally has been not to put them under oath there 98 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:23,690 was a lot of theatrical putting under oath during the church commission investigations 99 00:09:23,690 --> 00:09:29,640 into the CIA in the 1970s but more often than not unless they're expecting that a witness 100 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,730 is going to be truculent and intransigent they generally give them the benefit of the 101 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:41,291 diet and don't make them swear well okay um that sounds reasonable except that if you 102 00:09:41,291 --> 00:09:47,610 look at the history of the last 75 years I think giving anybody testifying from the U.S 103 00:09:47,610 --> 00:09:53,890 government about the status of UAP or UFO reality uh I don't think they deserve the 104 00:09:53,890 --> 00:09:59,279 benefit of the doubt I think that they should absolutely be under oath and and if if we 105 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:04,370 ever get any of these uh committee chairs um on our show to talk about it that would 106 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:13,080 be my first question and in fact I I I personally I I I I just I just laugh at the whole idea 107 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,019 that the US government is going to bring up officials who are going to allow themselves 108 00:10:17,019 --> 00:10:22,090 to be questioned and suddenly reveal the truth of what we all know is going on in behind 109 00:10:22,090 --> 00:10:26,610 the scenes I just don't think it's going to come that easily I I think we're just going 110 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:32,690 to have to wait for um truth tellers not whistleblowers but truth tellers to come from within the 111 00:10:32,690 --> 00:10:38,430 establishment to reveal more and I know that some of those people have come forward I know 112 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:43,149 that they've given evidence particularly to the Senate armed services committee there 113 00:10:43,149 --> 00:10:48,780 have been secret hearings of the sasc and the ssci and the various respective house 114 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:54,959 committees for both committees where Witnesses have given evidence and I know for a fact 115 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:59,760 claims have been made that there is a crash retrieval program that the United States is 116 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:06,320 in possession of non-human technology now whether these claims are true of course there's 117 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,500 another issue entirely but we do know that the Committees have been given that evidence 118 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:15,631 the big question now is whether we're going to go through the silly theatrics for the 119 00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:22,350 next 30 years as the people like Dr Kirkpatrick duck innovate and weave and try and avoid 120 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:27,200 answering the question I I don't see that happening and by the way I think we've just 121 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,500 we've had enough acronyms around here we've got arrow and we had aimsog and and of course 122 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:39,000 we went from UFO to UAP well we have a new one which is nhi which is being used more 123 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,790 and more and uh for those of you just joining the conversation that would stand for non-human 124 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:51,120 intelligence and Ross is quite correct there are people who as we understand it have testified 125 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:57,399 behind closed doors uh to various committees who claim there is non-human intelligence 126 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:04,060 uh responsible for some of these uh crash retrievals that have gone on so there is a 127 00:12:04,060 --> 00:12:09,490 lot laying under the surface there and it and it it's it's interesting to look at how 128 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:13,800 that's going to lay out now the one thing I would say I agree with you Sean Kirkpatrick 129 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,029 or anyone else Moultrie and Bray when they came out weren't likely to come out and say 130 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:23,490 okay let me tell you what the crown jewels of the U.S government's secret program about 131 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:28,640 UFOs is that's not going to happen but but what is happening I believe is the beginning 132 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,880 of a process and the process is uh to bring in Sean Kirkpatrick who is the new leader 133 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,880 of a new organization dedicated to studying UAP and I think he lays down the predicate 134 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:47,870 he basically defines the field he allows people to do a little fencing in public and and talk 135 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:53,540 about it well there will be other Witnesses he's just the first guy out of the box because 136 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:57,850 he gets that honor by running the program but what happens when we start calling in 137 00:12:57,850 --> 00:13:03,000 some of those whistleblowers do they only testify behind closed doors or do you think 138 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,790 we'll see some of those whistleblowers who have since said some of those fantastic things 139 00:13:07,790 --> 00:13:12,690 um in in classified hearings do you think we're going to see some of those people saying 140 00:13:12,690 --> 00:13:17,579 some of the same things in public hearings or is that just too much to hope for we're 141 00:13:17,579 --> 00:13:22,570 certainly not going to see it in this hearing coming this Wednesday on April the 19th what 142 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:28,779 I do think is there is going to probably be a hearing before one of the house committees 143 00:13:28,779 --> 00:13:33,630 probably the oversight committee or maybe the house um Services committee that's still 144 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:39,760 being negotiated that I would be looking at a date around the 13th of June that's what 145 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,269 I'm told I'm told it's going to take a few weeks to put this together but the date that's 146 00:13:44,269 --> 00:13:51,580 been put into my head by certain sources is the 13th of June um I just think maybe what 147 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:56,310 we should do Bryce before we get into the nitty-gritty of what we think the question 148 00:13:56,310 --> 00:14:01,680 should be that are being asked and to give our audience some of the history of the investigations 149 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,350 by Congress into the UAP issue I just think we should maybe also bring the audience's 150 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:10,339 attention to some of the more important news that's emerged in the last year absolutely 151 00:14:10,339 --> 00:14:16,900 as you know one of the things we try and do in the news is flag what we think are some 152 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:22,040 of the key issues that are as I would say in Australia bobbing up in the custard and 153 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,940 there's a story that's come up that I think has kind of missed a lot of people's attention 154 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:33,190 and I think it's important and it sounds crazy it's extraordinary claims made by a guy who 155 00:14:33,190 --> 00:14:39,620 calls himself Scott Andrews I know Andrews is not his real name he's a former U.S Senior 156 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:45,089 U.S soldier decorated intelligence officer who conducted Global counter-terrorism operations 157 00:14:45,089 --> 00:14:50,579 over 36 years in the military shortly after coming back from an overseas Mission he began 158 00:14:50,579 --> 00:14:56,930 to suffer from rare life-threatening ailments rather than succumbing he he instead began 159 00:14:56,930 --> 00:15:04,400 to experience special inexplicable abilities we're told such as remote viewing and his 160 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:10,759 body began to heal now this is not me making these wacky claims these are claims that that 161 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:16,259 are actually backed by people like Lou Elizondo but also by sources that I've been speaking 162 00:15:16,259 --> 00:15:22,600 to inside uh sections of the US government and intelligence Community who tell me that 163 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,880 this is a real story and apparently Andrews is claiming that he came across a file compiled 164 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:35,880 for him by his late father it contained records from a past he didn't remember documents indicating 165 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:42,320 he'd been removed from school every week every school from school for weeks every year from 166 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,860 the first through to 12th grade he'd received believe it or not an honorable discharge from 167 00:15:47,860 --> 00:15:54,050 the U.S Air Force presumably as a child and he'd worked in space intelligence Communications 168 00:15:54,050 --> 00:16:00,810 as a minor and yet he has no memory of having served in the U.S Air Force I mean this is 169 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:06,330 wacky stuff Bryce what's up with that now I I have to tell you uh over the years as 170 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:11,110 someone who's uh produced some UFO stuff and and been writing about it here in Hollywood 171 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:15,160 I've had various people over the years come to me and and tell me stories like that and 172 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,050 go man this is the real deal and you got to listen to me and then they tell me something 173 00:16:19,050 --> 00:16:23,850 like that and I'd say yeah I I don't know I don't think we can give that the Ring Of 174 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:29,410 Truth and yet what you just said which sounds so insane this is what Lou Elizondo tweeted 175 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:35,340 about it he said quote I'm aware of all the facts regarding this true story and to call 176 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:42,290 it a bombshell story would be an understatement buckle up I mean my God and I've spoken to 177 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:48,269 other people who know the um person calling himself Scott Andrews and they vouch for him 178 00:16:48,269 --> 00:16:54,330 and they say that his story has huge credibility in their View and it's just interesting to 179 00:16:54,330 --> 00:17:00,940 me because if you remember I don't know whether you're a fan of the Tom DeLonge fiction Thrillers 180 00:17:00,940 --> 00:17:06,530 that Tom Delaware wrote called secret machines and it's really interesting because in one 181 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:15,010 of those books he talks uh there's a character who's a military pilot who became an astronaut 182 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:22,880 who ends up flying in the Thriller the um alien craft from Groom Lake and it turns out 183 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,280 there's there's hints in the book that he and another friend who's also a pilot were 184 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,630 as children recognized as gifted in some way and that they were taken away and called away 185 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:39,970 into some program run by the U.S Air Force and yet again Tom Delong God bless him he 186 00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:45,510 seems to be on the on the right track now I'm not saying that this alleged Scott Andrews 187 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:53,410 guy's story is true but interesting influential people are telling me including Elizondo that 188 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:58,150 that we should take this a lot more seriously than it has been done to date so I just wanted 189 00:17:58,150 --> 00:18:04,180 to draw people's attentions to that story because it really does sound like an episode 190 00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:10,240 of stranger things it totally does experiment it's such an interesting story though Ross 191 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,659 I just want to make sure we doubly uh underline this what's the source of the story currently 192 00:18:15,659 --> 00:18:21,980 that is it's a book that's been written by this guy who calls himself Scott Andrews um 193 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:26,559 Simon and Schuster are the Publishers it's not entirely clear to me whether the book's 194 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:31,549 been written yet or whether the puff that was released by Simon and Schuster the publisher 195 00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:38,039 is essentially previewing the fact that they've signed up to this guy but I'm told he's one 196 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:44,720 of several people from the intelligence Community who are coming forward and this is where it's 197 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,919 all getting very interesting because I do know for a fact because I've spoken to some 198 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:55,130 of them there are people who are coming forward from inside the intelligence Community inside 199 00:18:55,130 --> 00:19:01,330 the military who are saying that they have knowledge of an experience of programs related 200 00:19:01,330 --> 00:19:07,720 to uaps and some of these people have given evidence to congressional committees Senate 201 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,340 committees has committees it's getting very very interesting because we've got this kind 202 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:17,410 of theatrical play even in the UAP hearing that's happening next week there's going to 203 00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:26,510 be a a confidential session as well as the public session now frankly I don't think there's 204 00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:33,000 any good reason if there is an nhi and non-human intelligence I appreciate that we might need 205 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,929 to keep technology sources means methods things like that that are genuinely a matter of National 206 00:19:38,929 --> 00:19:45,059 Security confidential we don't want the Russians or the Chinese to have access to technology 207 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:50,780 that a great country like the US can have access to first I'd rather a genuinely Democratic 208 00:19:50,780 --> 00:19:55,750 country than an authoritarian dictatorship has control and access of this technology 209 00:19:55,750 --> 00:20:03,539 but why can't we know at least a tacit admission by a Sean Kirkpatrick or someone else that 210 00:20:03,539 --> 00:20:09,520 yes there is indeed a non-human intelligence if that of course is the case well the first 211 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,880 thing I'd want to say to Sean Kirkpatrick if I was uh Senator gillibrand is I just say 212 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:21,039 look this is a public hearing um Sean and what we'd like you to explain to us is what 213 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:26,870 criteria you'll be using as we ask you questions as to whether you will answer them or whether 214 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:32,990 you will refer them to the classified hearing so that our our audience and and the the people 215 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:40,789 can actually evaluate your answers because um if if all he I mean I guess it illustrates 216 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:45,360 the thing that you and I have said many times on this program nobody's gonna come out and 217 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:52,530 say Here's a couple of terabytes of UFO videos and UFO photos and classified documents have 218 00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:57,159 added that's not going to happen so again I don't want to look like I'm getting giddy 219 00:20:57,159 --> 00:21:00,710 because the government is having hearings because they've talked about and actually 220 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:06,740 done this in the past um I'm simply saying it's part of the scenario that's out there 221 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:12,630 so anything that Sean Kirkpatrick says that leads us into a further investigation of what 222 00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:18,150 the reality of this issue is I'm in favor of that and I do think it's kind of interesting 223 00:21:18,150 --> 00:21:21,940 with the kind of people that are talking to you and and frankly to me as well over the 224 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:30,320 years there seems to be this whole other story that should be confirmed if there's an nhi 225 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:36,779 non-human intelligence interacting with humanity and has been doing so for years it would be 226 00:21:36,779 --> 00:21:41,610 appropriate to at least admit that now and not continue to say that people who believe 227 00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:49,140 that are cuckoo so that part I would like to be public now the detail part um you know 228 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:54,400 we're going to have to work out those details but again how is it that we've had those three 229 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,910 little clips from the Navy videos over the years but nothing more how is it that we never 230 00:21:59,910 --> 00:22:05,880 heard about or saw the videos from those balloons so-called balloons that were shot down in 231 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,909 February what's going on here what do we have to do to get our own government to share and 232 00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:18,059 confirm this reality if in fact it is a reality what's going to be that process and there 233 00:22:18,059 --> 00:22:24,900 has been Bryce intimations from people in the know such as Professor Gary Nolan Gary 234 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:31,090 Nolan did an interview with um the good travel show with Matt Ford this week and asked how 235 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:37,021 he would categorize the extraordinary stories that he says he knows have been shared under 236 00:22:37,021 --> 00:22:44,630 whistleblower protection with both arrow and the Congress Dr Nolan replied crash retrieval 237 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:53,300 and contact I'll say that again crash retrieval and contact that's contact presumably with 238 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:59,510 ETS and nhi this is somebody who I know I've spoken to Gary about this privately who I 239 00:22:59,510 --> 00:23:06,890 know has spoken to Witnesses who've come from inside with knowledge of the program and Gary 240 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:11,220 has actually said that his perception of what's coming up for this next hearing is actually 241 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:17,340 quite positive he says lawmakers are much more informed what has changed is that they 242 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:23,270 literally saw the body language of the dod officials the generals sitting in front of 243 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:31,660 them stonewalling they got mad and Gary is quoted as saying there's nothing that drives 244 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:39,919 human nature more than being told no when you know the answer should be yes the politicians 245 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:45,870 know they say he says that they were lied to and they've had enough of it and they're 246 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:51,840 basically starting to put the squeeze on it's pretty clear he says the tables have turned 247 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:58,260 so that's an optimistic turn from Professor Gary Nolan well he's spoken optimistically 248 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:03,150 over the years since he's sort of come out if you will so I expect him to continue to 249 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:09,270 talk like that but there's more and more people that are talking that way now so in fact uh 250 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:14,299 it's it seems like we're rapidly getting to the place where this just can't hold because 251 00:24:14,299 --> 00:24:19,620 there are a number of people in the Congress now uh Timber Chet by the way seems to be 252 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:26,950 angling for the the congressman of the Year award for UAP because uh this guy is as outspoken 253 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:33,360 as anybody and he's agitating uh and and outright saying it and he's a representative and of 254 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,640 course gillibrand as we discussed you know the interesting thing Ross there is so much 255 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,600 breaking news there's always it we go away for a couple of weeks and we come back and 256 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,279 there's always something you know to to be talking about about this and so just so everybody 257 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:54,520 understands what we're saying um we're recording this uh half a week or more from when that 258 00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:00,779 hearing is going to be happening before the Senate subcommittee then as Ross pointed out 259 00:25:00,779 --> 00:25:06,549 in June maybe even the 13th we'll see how accurate your source is on that June 13th 260 00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:10,220 would be another Committee hearing but that would be a house hearing as I understand it 261 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:16,730 is that correct that uh yes it would be yeah yeah definitely a house hearing yeah and and 262 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:23,039 and obviously a lot of people have been energized by this issue and it is kind of ironic that 263 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,850 this thing is gaining its momentum and people are talking about non-human intelligence and 264 00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:33,620 crash retrievals and wreckage and reverse engineering the stuff that used to be Fringe 265 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:39,159 that was the French stuff of ufology and now some pretty non-fringy people are talking 266 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:44,059 about it and guess what the calendar tells it we're going to be dealing with that at 267 00:25:44,059 --> 00:25:50,070 the same time we're dealing with the 2024 election that's already shaping up to be unprecedented 268 00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:55,090 in how it's laying out so God knows what's going to happen it's it's these are interesting 269 00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:59,820 times we are living in the other thing I wanted to flag before we get into the nitty-gritty 270 00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:06,340 of what might or should be being discussed at this hearing next week is Dr Travis Taylor 271 00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:12,320 has made some quite astonishing preview comments about what's coming up on the um next season 272 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,980 the fourth season of the Skinwalker Ranch series now a lot of I know a lot of people 273 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:23,700 there's a real tendency I think in the UFO UAP social media commentary just to pour [\h__\h] 274 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:28,679 up the whole skin walker Ranch story and to dismiss it as absolute nonsense and I think 275 00:26:28,679 --> 00:26:34,650 people are doing themselves a disservice by being so dismissive Dr Taylor is in fact quite 276 00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:41,860 a reputable scientist and he has claimed that um there has been gamma rays detected on skin 277 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:48,020 walker Ranch that he believes have come from some kind of matter antimatter Annihilation 278 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:53,429 he he claimed in a recent interview that the phenomena at skin walk around she's using 279 00:26:53,429 --> 00:27:01,570 non-human technology to create dangerous spikes in gamma rays quote I think it's some sort 280 00:27:01,570 --> 00:27:07,190 of phenomena that's using quantum physics that is running the universe now this is a 281 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:13,799 guy who's working as we both know with Jay Stratton at a place called Radiance Technologies 282 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:19,481 uh in uh or near Huntsville Alabama Two Gentlemen who've been part of a company for quite a 283 00:27:19,481 --> 00:27:26,360 while now um that has billions of dollars from taxpayers to investigate what sounds 284 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:33,031 like metamaterials interesting perhaps non-human technology I just want to reflect to people 285 00:27:33,031 --> 00:27:39,340 that we shouldn't be quite so dismissive and there is a tendency I think um the the the 286 00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:44,570 commentators do themselves as disservice by basically sweeping aside everything that's 287 00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:49,520 said about Skinwalker Ranch I'm being told we should take skin walker Ranch a lot more 288 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,860 seriously and I I have to say that I do take it seriously I don't dismiss Skinwalker and 289 00:27:55,860 --> 00:28:00,960 and it's uh anomalous activity for a moment I think the source of a lot of the pushback 290 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,010 on Skinwalker has frankly just been the television series because the series itself while attempting 291 00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:13,019 big things has used a lot of the tropes of of a non-fiction television series the sort 292 00:28:13,019 --> 00:28:19,781 of um hyped music and the sort of the teases and all that and so it's easy to to put it 293 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:25,160 down uh but Underneath It All there seems to be a reality there of some kind by the 294 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,809 way I just uh I realized I was mentioning Timber Chad a few minutes ago just so everyone 295 00:28:29,809 --> 00:28:37,360 knows he's a republican he's a congressman I believe he's from Tennessee um and uh he's 296 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:42,620 currently the most outspoken member of Congress I would say on the topic although several 297 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:48,769 others are are edging in that same area the other bit of news that I think we should also 298 00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:56,710 flag is um Dr Colin Kelleher who as we both know has worked with the orsap bass and nids 299 00:28:56,710 --> 00:29:02,289 programs um he's got quite an extensive knowledge as well of the whole skin walker Ranch story 300 00:29:02,289 --> 00:29:07,240 he did an interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp on their weaponized podcast recently 301 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:14,690 and Jeremy asked him does our government have downed UFOs from Unknown Origin that they've 302 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:20,070 been trying and are trying to reverse engineer and exploit those Technologies understand 303 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:26,179 the physics understand that technology do we have that to work with and Colma Keller 304 00:29:26,179 --> 00:29:35,480 his answer was quite definitive he said I can't talk about that but the answer is yes 305 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:43,110 obviously Kelleher has gone to the lou Elizondo School of how to answer a UAP question uh 306 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:50,440 because Elizondo does that all the time himself where he lets you know what he thinks but 307 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,940 he's either protecting his his NDA or some other thing and Keller seems to be doing that 308 00:29:55,940 --> 00:30:00,820 you know before we get into asking the questions that we think they should ask at these hearings 309 00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:05,020 could we just do a little bit of History here to sort of set up where we're coming from 310 00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:09,950 as I look at uh Congressional hearings on UFOs there have been many attempts over the 311 00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:14,720 years but there's been two particular years that I want to focus on and that we can talk 312 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:22,840 about uh one was 1958 and the other was 1966. and for those of you who have access to it 313 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,289 I love this book here UFOs and government a historical inquiry because it is jam-packed 314 00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:33,480 with great stuff and when I see people like Moultrie and Bray say no I've never heard 315 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,880 of that never didn't understand any of that I feel like you know what gentlemen go to 316 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,890 your rooms and read this book and then come back and talk to us but in any case in 1958 317 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:50,039 what was really unusual is that the house select committee on astronautics astronautics 318 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:56,809 and space exploration was chaired by John McCormick who went on to become the speaker 319 00:30:56,809 --> 00:31:03,289 of the house and a very powerful person and back in 58 they were going to have the subcommittee 320 00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:09,870 on atmospheric phenomena chaired by a William natcher of Kentucky and they were going to 321 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:15,130 have hearings on UFOs because McCormick really believed in UFOs he thought they were a real 322 00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:20,690 deal and needed to be looked into and you know we've talked about how fast these hearing 323 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:26,260 things that we're experiencing right now have sort of Hit the calendar back then they informed 324 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:30,760 the secretary of the Air Force they were going to hold hearings on the subject of UFOs with 325 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,539 just two or three days of lead time imagine that and then the subcommittee said it would 326 00:31:35,539 --> 00:31:40,470 begin on August 7th and the Air Force was expected to be there on August 8th and this 327 00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:45,639 is 1958 so I guess their idea was if we catch them by surprise they won't have time to get 328 00:31:45,639 --> 00:31:53,130 a big story together and in any case they had various uh attempts to have those meetings 329 00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:57,480 and in fact they did have one with the Air Force where the Air Force came in and basically 330 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,390 told them well we're looking into it nothing to see here so far etc etc and then and this 331 00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:10,010 part is interesting McCormick and his gang said that they were going to now bring in 332 00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:14,090 more witnesses they were from outside the government they were going to have people 333 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:21,480 come in like uh Donald Kehoe was who was retired but was that major in the the Air Force rupult 334 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,820 Edward ruppelt who wrote uh the report on unidentified flying objects and they're going 335 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:31,440 to have these guys come in and testify without the Air Force being present well guess what 336 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,870 happened that potential nightmare for the Air Force never happened why it just went 337 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:42,309 away no one's exactly sure why it went away but I love this quote from the book it says 338 00:32:42,309 --> 00:32:47,810 here was an appropriate Congressional committee with powerful Personnel impervious to intimidation 339 00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:53,000 initiating a hearings agenda with nearly known noticed through the air force informing the 340 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,320 air force that a whole week of Civilian hearings was in the wings yet before the last Echoes 341 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,150 had died in the committee room that whole idea was obliterated by higher forces and 342 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:10,880 the Congressional investigation was neutralized so this stuff's been going on by my calendar 343 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,810 quite a long time I agree and in fact frankly our the history as you pointed out shows a 344 00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:22,769 persistent pattern of the U.S Air Force basically trying to control the UAP narrative goes right 345 00:33:22,769 --> 00:33:29,130 back to 1948 when project sign was kicked off and you know you had project sign project 346 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:34,060 Grudge Project Blue Book all of them were fundamentally at their heart attempts by the 347 00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:39,320 U.S Air Force and other agencies to try to control the narrative to constrain what the 348 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:45,670 public was being told about uaps to ridicule I mean the thing that I find is that there 349 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:52,100 was a deliberate policy a deliberate policy to try and dismiss these reports as mass hysteria 350 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:59,140 hallucinations hoax or misinterpretation of known objects and and yet all the while while 351 00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:03,980 they were dismissing them and poo-pooing them in the public arena there was actually continued 352 00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:09,919 Military Intelligence control over the investigation of all sightings and and frankly they were 353 00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:15,760 actively considering the reality of this is perhaps extraterrestrial phenomena so the 354 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,129 thing that really worries me is that we're just going to see a continuation of this kind 355 00:34:20,129 --> 00:34:26,310 of historical knobbling that what we're going to see is essentially another shutdown particularly 356 00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:32,290 by the U.S Air Force and history as you rightly show my friend has not looked good for us 357 00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:38,149 because year after year every time there's been a really good effort by the Congress 358 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:43,300 to really get to the truth of this matter it's been snowed well the most recent one 359 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:51,030 I think was 1966 is that right Gerald rewards the only thing I would say about getting having 360 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:56,530 history be the the template for what might happen now is that it was a different time 361 00:34:56,530 --> 00:35:02,530 uh in 1958 and and 66 which we'll talk about you know was it just a different time you 362 00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:07,660 didn't have the internet you didn't have a cable Universe of 500 channels you didn't 363 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:11,369 have streaming you didn't have any of this way that we talked to ourselves right now 364 00:35:11,369 --> 00:35:16,859 uh I remember when I first met Stanton Friedman who became a friend of mine and I optioned 365 00:35:16,859 --> 00:35:21,720 one of his books about Roswell so I got to know him very well but when I first met Stanton 366 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:29,410 and this this will just sum it all up is he always carried almost a suitcase full of Xerox 367 00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:33,869 copies of various things right so when he wanted to make a point to me he literally 368 00:35:33,869 --> 00:35:39,270 had to go and get a stack of of papers that he gave me I mean it was it was almost a foot 369 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:43,119 tall stack of copied papers and he said when you're done with those I'd like those back 370 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,160 because I want to give them to somebody else well today you wouldn't do that right you 371 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,460 just you put it up on the internet or you you tweet it or you otherwise share it so 372 00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:56,730 it's not going to be quite as easy as it was before to put things back in the box but you 373 00:35:56,730 --> 00:36:03,110 know the idea that people have been talking about these things uh in in open Forum has 374 00:36:03,110 --> 00:36:06,881 been going on a long time and the one quote that I I feel like that you couldn't do a 375 00:36:06,881 --> 00:36:12,069 show like this without reading it even though we've read it before is two years after that 376 00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:20,460 1958 attempt Admiral Roscoe hillenkotter who was the first person to run the Central Intelligence 377 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:27,359 Agency in the United States was then retired and he actually wrote a letter that was quoted 378 00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:33,780 in the New York Times and this is a quote from the first director of the CIA in 1960 379 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:39,470 as John Kennedy is running for the presidency but before he gets elected and he says behind 380 00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:45,050 the scenes high-ranking Air Force officials are soberly concerned about UFOs but through 381 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:51,010 official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects 382 00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:56,620 are nonsense hundreds of authentic reports by veteran pilots and other technically trained 383 00:36:56,620 --> 00:37:03,180 observers have been ridiculed or explained away as mistakes delusions or hoaxes the Air 384 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:07,839 Force has assumed the right to decide what the American people should or should not know 385 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:15,260 and here's his conclusion it is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional 386 00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:22,010 hearings well hillenkotter was right in 1960 and if he was around today he'd say we were 387 00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:27,210 right to be pursuing it again so yeah we are in that in that time period now you brought 388 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:32,300 up 66 I'll let you run with that because that's a good one too no well I mean I think the 389 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:37,440 thing the big lesson from 66 is that you had Gerald Ford um the the man who went on to 390 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,599 become president basically pushing very very hard and saying that he held the firm belief 391 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:48,630 that the American public deserves a better explanation than that thus far given by the 392 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:53,780 U.S Air Force and he strongly recommended that there be a committee investigation of 393 00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:59,609 the UFO phenomena and and back in March 66 Gerald Ford at the time was the House minority 394 00:37:59,609 --> 00:38:05,050 leader who later to become president and um he was concerned because he was getting letters 395 00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:10,730 from the American public telling him they were very interested in the UFO issue even 396 00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:18,670 more in a way Ross it was even more than letters he was the congressman of the district where 397 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:25,620 Jay Alan heineck went in 1966 out after all these sightings in Michigan and heineck famously 398 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:29,880 tried to speculate about what could possibly be the thing these people were seeing and 399 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:36,359 that's where he uttered the unfortunate two-word swamp gas which became Infamous in ufology 400 00:38:36,359 --> 00:38:41,060 and and damn near drove heinek crazy because that wasn't exactly what he meant and certainly 401 00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:47,480 in the years to follow he knew differently but Ford took the brunt of this from the people 402 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:53,010 that were in his constituency and I think he realized that a lot of them were serious 403 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:59,290 people and he actually wrote a series of letters three different letters uh as he began to 404 00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:04,520 agitate for hearings and again I guess I'm on a run of reading quotes but this is from 405 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,650 Ford's first letter are we to assume that everyone who says that he has seen UFOs is 406 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:15,430 an unreliable witness I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding 407 00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:20,839 UFOs and to produce the greatest possible Enlightenment on this subject because I think 408 00:39:20,839 --> 00:39:25,589 there may be substance to some of these reports and because I believe the American people 409 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:29,911 are entitled to a more thorough explanation than has been given them by the Air Force 410 00:39:29,911 --> 00:39:35,830 to date I am proposing that either the science and astronautics Committee of the armed services 411 00:39:35,830 --> 00:39:41,060 Committee of the house schedule hearings on the subject of UFOs and invite testimony from 412 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:45,770 both the executive branch of the government and some of the persons who claim to have 413 00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:53,910 seen UFOs so again here is a guy who not only became president but it for people who follow 414 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:59,430 these things Ford was on the Warren Commission that looked into the JFK assassination so 415 00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:07,390 this guy was deeply involved in classified stuff and he knew that UFOs were real so what 416 00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:12,250 happened in 1966 was that the house armed services committee which of course is the 417 00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:16,390 house version of the same committee that's holding the hearings this week in the Senate 418 00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:23,359 it did eventually hold brief hearings on UFOs in 1966 but unfortunately it produced yet 419 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:30,330 another U.S Air Force whitewash the secretary I think of the U.S Air Force Harold bran assured 420 00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:35,460 the committee that most sightings were easily explained and that there was no evidence that 421 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:40,609 strangers from outer space had been visiting Earth and he did reassure the committee members 422 00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:46,650 however that the Air Force would keep an open mind and continue to investigate all UFO reports 423 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:54,510 so it was a complete Snow Job now the historical way to look at this is you did have attempts 424 00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:59,670 uh even during the early 50s people were trying to have some kind of hearings but they they 425 00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:05,520 took form in 58 where the uh soon to be Speaker of the House John McCormick really went after 426 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,290 it and then for reasons we do not understand gave it all up then we had 66 where Ford a 427 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:17,780 very important person in United States government pushed for it couldn't quite get that done 428 00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:26,660 either in 68 they had some um people gave uh written testimony uh but that was it um 429 00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:31,960 we didn't really have those big UFO hearings that's why we all got excited uh in on May 430 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:38,720 17th of 2022 when uh the house had a hearing on UFOs it didn't turn out to be much Ross 431 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,400 and I have sort of taken that apart we're not big fans of Moultrie and Bray and how 432 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,680 they Embrace their obligations to be responsive to the American people but now we have another 433 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,240 shot at it and that's what's happening now now the reason why history matters is because 434 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:59,470 what happened as a result of the U.S Air Force's outrageous cover-up in 1966 was there was 435 00:41:59,470 --> 00:42:04,650 a huge public pushback um that this is when James McDonald the atmospheric physicist from 436 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:11,010 the University of Arizona's came forward he flatly publicly claimed that the the CIA was 437 00:42:11,010 --> 00:42:15,550 behind the Air Force secrecy policies and the cover-up and he was pushing for the release 438 00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:20,880 of the full Robertson panel report which was essentially another cover-up earlier and so 439 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,540 bowing to public pressure in August 1966 the Air Force announced what what became the Condon 440 00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:34,480 inquiry and and this is why history matters because we can't let Congress allow this to 441 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,830 happen again because what was done last time what was done over half a century ago in August 442 00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:46,440 of 1966 was the Condon inquiry was called and we now know that that was a complete snow 443 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,990 job where it would Condon the physicist at Colorado and a former director of a major 444 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:58,260 government Department was essentially appointed and pre-briefed that essentially you know 445 00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:04,570 he he was to to come up with a foregone conclusion a blatant whitewash on behalf of the U.S Air 446 00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:11,760 Force and the CIA and the report of the content inquiry in April 1969 was the attempt to put 447 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:19,490 the whole issue back in the bottle and it has largely defined the policy and the attitudes 448 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:26,470 to permeate our culture right up to the present day attitudes of ridicule and belittling of 449 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:32,530 the UAP UFO subjects and essentially it's been a very very clever disinformation program 450 00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:38,290 so if I'm successful much as an inkling if we see so much as an inkling from the Congress 451 00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:42,570 that they're going to Buck pass this and flick it off to the Air Force or the CIA and ask 452 00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:48,050 them to come up with an inquiry we shouldn't allow it to happen the only thing that is 453 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:54,330 the alternative to these committees holding these hearings is a full open Church committee 454 00:43:54,330 --> 00:44:01,890 style investigation where the Congress uses the full powers that it has in public hearing 455 00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:06,829 deposing people under oath and compelling them to give truthful testimony using full 456 00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:12,380 powers of subpoena we can't allow this issue to be put back in a box again for another 457 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:19,030 half a Century Two thoughts the Condon uh I mean the the investigation you're referring 458 00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:24,829 to was ultimately very successfully it put its report out in 60 April I think you said 459 00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:29,930 of 69 and by December of 69 the Air Force had said well we looked into it we even had 460 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:34,480 this uh investigation done for us since there's nothing going on with this we're going to 461 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:43,670 kill Project Blue Book and they did and so from 69 on uh until well whatever uh the official 462 00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:51,230 investigation into UFOs uh was not happening so uh they they did succeed and now we are 463 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:57,869 at the precipice of seeing this happen again and I take your point uh the various times 464 00:44:57,869 --> 00:45:04,040 where the the genie has been put back in the bottle is when the Air Force was envisioned 465 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,839 as the honest broker to look into this so that's like um I don't know that's asking 466 00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:13,839 like someone who's under indictment to conduct their own investigation uh yeah obviously 467 00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:18,460 others need to do that the one thing I was going to say Ross that I don't know how it's 468 00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:24,680 going to work out maybe you've heard different than myself but I what was great about the 469 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,840 Senate attempting to look into Watergate back in 1973 when they had those riveting Summer 470 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:36,290 Long hearings is it was the Senate Watergate committee it was the One-Stop shop it's where 471 00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:42,000 they were taking a look at this thing same with the church committee that you uh mentioned 472 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,760 that was where that was going down I don't know why we're having different committees 473 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:53,480 right I wish Congress could figure out how to focus the Firepower on a singular entity 474 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,180 so that they could start bringing people in and focus on that one thing because if we 475 00:45:58,180 --> 00:46:03,640 are moving forward incrementally on different committees I fear that's not the most uh positive 476 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:09,740 way to do it well he is hoping that 2023 is a case of Third Time Lucky Bryce because as 477 00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:14,569 you and I have just pointed out those who forget their history are condemned to repeat 478 00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:21,369 it so let's now move to what we think the Congress the uh armed services Committee of 479 00:46:21,369 --> 00:46:28,600 the Senate's emerging threats committee this week coming should be asking and I I think 480 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,730 here's an opportunity for Kirsten gillibrand Senator Kirsten gillibrand to really make 481 00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:41,690 her name this could be a presidential defining moment for this extremely gutsy and powerful 482 00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:48,480 woman she's the chair of this emergency emerging threats committee um okay Sean Kirkpatrick's 483 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,569 not going to be under oath but he does know that he can still be held to a cut for misleading 484 00:46:53,569 --> 00:47:02,130 the Congress so what if Senator gillibrand was to lean across the table and basically 485 00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:10,900 demand to know definitively this question is directed not just at Arrow or nor to the 486 00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:16,359 very limited field of knowledge held within Arrow that's the pentagon's UAP office it 487 00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:22,220 is directed at the entire body of knowledge held within the Pentagon and the intelligence 488 00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:26,880 community and presumably Dr Kirkpatrick you have informed yourself on this before you 489 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:36,040 came before this committee my question sir is are you aware of any data of any kind which 490 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:44,210 suggests that there is a non-human intelligence that has been and or is being detected on 491 00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:52,410 this planet okay now if I'm if I'm uh the witness here Sean Kirkpatrick I'm going to 492 00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:59,470 say uh well thank you very much senator gillibrand for that comprehensive and kind question I 493 00:47:59,470 --> 00:48:07,280 take it to heart I think it's very important get on with it and then I and then at the 494 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,619 end Sean says and um I'll have to I'm waiting come on come on and I want some answers into 495 00:48:13,619 --> 00:48:18,740 the classified hearing is what he's going to say listen you know what's funny it folks 496 00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:26,870 is um Ross and I have a four pages three pages with like 38 possible questions these people 497 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:32,020 could ask and maybe we'll even post that uh up on our site but uh there's no shortage 498 00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:36,480 of questions although Ross I got to tell you the first thing I'd want to do is I'd want 499 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:45,690 to say uh Mr Kirkpatrick um you are not currently sworn um as as is sometimes the case here 500 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:51,369 in these hearings do you have any objection to being sworn now 501 00:48:51,369 --> 00:48:57,131 yeah yeah I would just I would have him I'd like to see what he would say and I'd like 502 00:48:57,131 --> 00:49:01,839 to remind you Dr Kirkpatrick that you are under oath and that any attempts to mislead 503 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:05,849 this committee is an act of perjury and it will be punished extremely severely by that 504 00:49:05,849 --> 00:49:11,480 if he takes the oath I hope he takes it um you know the the the there are a couple of 505 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:18,150 lines of um of asking questions here that these senators are well versed although I've 506 00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:24,490 rarely heard someone as bold and as gutsy as gillibrand on this topic so um but you 507 00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:29,930 know I think uh some of the things that she should do is take him down the road of this 508 00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:35,770 crash wreckage uh and retrieval and reverse engineering and whether it's in the purview 509 00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:42,450 of the government or whether it's been offshore to private Enterprise Etc and even if he's 510 00:49:42,450 --> 00:49:48,900 refusing to answer it I would still ask him these questions because for example um I I 511 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:54,760 can't remember I I on one of these things that Trump was just um uh deposed on I think 512 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,760 he took the fifth like you know 400 times or something and please don't send me a bunch 513 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,520 of email about that folks I'm just citing it because I heard it on the news the other 514 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,819 day but there's a power in asking the question even if the person isn't going to answer it 515 00:50:08,819 --> 00:50:14,650 so what I would say to Sean Kirkpatrick is I'd go through these 38 questions we've got 516 00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:18,460 and then all of the others and make him refuse to answer them if that's going to be the case 517 00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:22,520 because I would at least get people saying well if the guy isn't answering it there must 518 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:28,410 be something to that and I'd like to see us get into that so that's my take not I don't 519 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:32,059 know a lot about the other committee members on the emerging threats committee but one 520 00:50:32,059 --> 00:50:36,970 of them is actually a former astronaut former U.S Air Force astronaut Mark Kelly a senator 521 00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:45,569 for Arizona and he's clearly very much a hard skeptic on uaps he recently dismissed a reporters 522 00:50:45,569 --> 00:50:52,480 very serious question on the UFO issue by saying quote on the alien subject I can confirm 523 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,990 they are really small they have sharp teeth and they live under your bed that's the kind 524 00:50:57,990 --> 00:51:03,579 of [\h__\h] nonsense I often get from politicians when they're asked hard questions on this 525 00:51:03,579 --> 00:51:09,900 issue and let's be very clear about this if Senator gillibrand is not seen and if the 526 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:15,339 other members of the committee are seen to be flippant or dismissive and ignoring the 527 00:51:15,339 --> 00:51:22,359 issues that are being asked is serious intent behind these questions we now have multiple 528 00:51:22,359 --> 00:51:29,030 very senior former officials of the U.S government on the record suggesting that the US government 529 00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:34,589 is in possession of information suggesting that there is a non-human intelligence engaging 530 00:51:34,589 --> 00:51:42,309 with this planet and that it is in possession of nhi Technology non-human intelligence technology 531 00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:46,660 it's time for that question to be asked and if we just have another one of these delicate 532 00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:52,180 dances with sycophantic questions are asked of public officials frankly the public should 533 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:56,859 start stoning the blooming Congress on I'm not saying that literally I mean I'm just 534 00:51:56,859 --> 00:52:03,809 appalled that we have that extraordinary situation where time and time again we have these public 535 00:52:03,809 --> 00:52:10,619 officials that are allowed to come in and be dismissive and Mock and ridicule and stigmatize 536 00:52:10,619 --> 00:52:16,880 the issue you just you have to hold their feet to the fire and the public should be 537 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:25,130 and will be deservedly very very angry if evasive questions evasive answers are given 538 00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:31,589 to incredibly direct questions let's go back to Mark Kelly for a second he's the senator 539 00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:37,049 just re-elected in Arizona and there's a lot to like about Mark Kelly I mean he's a astronaut 540 00:52:37,049 --> 00:52:42,339 and a fairly straight up stand-up guy most of the time but you know Senator Kelly let 541 00:52:42,339 --> 00:52:47,640 me just speak to you for a moment this is wrong the way you answer that question is 542 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,319 just plain wrong you're dismissing people who have had authentic experiences you're 543 00:52:54,319 --> 00:53:00,250 dismissing radar people you're dismissing Pilots you're dismissing government officials 544 00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:06,380 you're dismissing police officers and and thousands if not tens and hundreds of thousands 545 00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:12,549 of of witnesses and you're turning it all into a joke and you know that that's the inappropriate 546 00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:17,359 policy and the reason you know it is you're from uh Arizona and the last time somebody 547 00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:23,260 did that in Arizona was back after the Phoenix Lights where Governor Fife Simington after 548 00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:29,400 so many of his constituents saw the Phoenix Lights object with their own eyes he instead 549 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,480 brought an alien costume staffer out in front of the press conference and he's regretted 550 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:41,799 that the rest of his life and has recanted that in in future years so Senator Kelly I'm 551 00:53:41,799 --> 00:53:48,470 asking you to go into that hearing behave as an appropriate public official and understand 552 00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:53,440 that your own government is already firmed that there are things out there that we cannot 553 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,030 confirm where they come from and try to have a more open and inquisitive mind because that's 554 00:53:59,030 --> 00:54:04,900 what we expect from you as a public official now we know that gillibrand has already been 555 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:09,790 very critical about the fact that Arrow hasn't received sufficient funding the pentagon's 556 00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:15,090 UAP investigation office had not received sufficient funding or Staffing to allow it 557 00:54:15,090 --> 00:54:19,540 to do the job that it had been assigned and I mean for example one of the things that 558 00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:27,420 it was asked to do by legislation by the Congress was a historical review of UAP knowledge since 559 00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:32,770 World War II that was requested by legislation by Statute by an act of the Congress last 560 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:38,380 year and so one of the things that I really want to see is a holding to account by gillibrand 561 00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:44,000 I want to see her and the other Senators demanding to know whether this work has been done and 562 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,490 if not why not and and I also think that the defense department more broadly needs to be 563 00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:56,069 asked why when Congress made its position very very clear in legislation that it wanted 564 00:54:56,069 --> 00:55:03,660 the UAP issue investigated thoroughly by the Pentagon why was Arrow this office left chronically 565 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:12,290 undefunded understaffed to fulfill its stated purpose it was designed to die on the vine 566 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:17,160 and more importantly Kirkpatrick has been dismissed by some critics as somebody who's 567 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:23,099 a bit of a liquid for the people who want to continue the cover-up this is an opportunity 568 00:55:23,099 --> 00:55:32,539 for Kirkpatrick to make his name it would only take one truthful answer to one question 569 00:55:32,539 --> 00:55:40,910 to break the truth embargo yeah sure I pray for it I pray for it um you know you mentioned 570 00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:45,369 the history report they're supposed to write and he may say well we need more time and 571 00:55:45,369 --> 00:55:49,690 you know it's very hard to get access to these things so again I'm just going to help him 572 00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:54,390 out UFOs in the government a historical inquiry take a look at that or how about this one 573 00:55:54,390 --> 00:56:00,630 shoot them down the Flying Saucer air wars of 90 1952 by Frank fascino this is all government 574 00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:05,339 stuff and here's another great book by Richard Dolan UFOs in the National Security State 575 00:56:05,339 --> 00:56:12,280 if you don't know the history of UFOs and the U.S government and the U.S military sir 576 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:17,749 I say you do a little reading time so anyway that's my soapbox for the day but that's what 577 00:56:17,749 --> 00:56:21,750 I think they should be doing 578 00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:27,671 can I just drop a big hint before we start the rep let's just roll back a bit let's go 579 00:56:27,671 --> 00:56:34,850 back to February let's talk about what happened over Dead Horse Alaska in February yeah now 580 00:56:34,850 --> 00:56:40,810 we know that three objects were allegedly shot down we know that they were engaged with 581 00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:48,299 Sidewinder missiles by fighter jets from the U.S Air Force now what's so interesting is 582 00:56:48,299 --> 00:56:54,420 what I'm hearing about dead horse and this is I think perhaps where questions could be 583 00:56:54,420 --> 00:57:00,049 pertinently directed because although the particular Senator that I'm thinking of is 584 00:57:00,049 --> 00:57:07,230 a member of the Senate armed services committee they're not a member of the emerging threats 585 00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:12,901 committee so let's just flag to the emerging threats committee that we know that there 586 00:57:12,901 --> 00:57:18,680 is a senator on the Senate armed services committee who has been approached by a member 587 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:26,200 of the Air Force asking the committee to ask more pointed questions about what happened 588 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,680 over Dead Horse Alaska and I'm just going to read out a few questions that I think should 589 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:39,109 be asked why have no Congressional Representatives being given the opportunity to cite the purported 590 00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:46,710 shootdown videos shot by fighter jets in February during the multiple incursions over U.S airspace 591 00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:52,030 and as we understand its senators and representatives have been refused the opportunity to even 592 00:57:52,030 --> 00:58:00,890 view this Vision even in a secure skiff why the secrecy does the witness does Dr Kirkpatrick 593 00:58:00,890 --> 00:58:05,990 have any knowledge about the specific shoot down incident over or near Dead Horse Alaska 594 00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:14,660 in February what exactly did the pilot report seeing when he engaged the object with a missile 595 00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:22,020 was the object seen to actually crash or descend as a result of that missile being fired why 596 00:58:22,020 --> 00:58:27,329 is vision of that particular instant still being kept classified as well as the Pilot's 597 00:58:27,329 --> 00:58:34,300 after Action Report even to confidential hearings of the relevant congressional committees is 598 00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:40,980 the witness prepared to deny the reports that I'm hearing that the object when hit by the 599 00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:50,760 explosion of the Jets Sidewinder missile actually stayed in the air despite that direct explosion 600 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:57,170 something was seen by the pilot to fall from the object that he engaged but I'm told the 601 00:58:57,170 --> 00:59:06,010 main object was not in fact shot done by the missile does the witness does Dr Sean Kirkpatrick 602 00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:13,680 deny categorically that this is the case correctly if Dr Kirkpatrick is to say to the committee 603 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,370 that he doesn't know about this incident that he hasn't briefed himself about this incident 604 00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:22,440 and he should be sacked immediately the committee should be asking for his resignation if he 605 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:28,099 doesn't come into the Committee hearing properly briefed about the the three shoot down incidents 606 00:59:28,099 --> 00:59:37,170 over U.S in February then he shouldn't be doing the job I agree 100 thousand percent 607 00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:41,829 let's let's hope that happens and by the way Ross I know you're a lawyer by training and 608 00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:46,460 they always tell lawyers listen you know when you're doing cross-examination examination 609 00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:51,180 of a witness don't ask a question you don't know the answer to so I'm just going to ask 610 00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:56,369 you do you think you know the answer to those questions or is this one of those truly uh 611 00:59:56,369 --> 01:00:02,299 mysterious moments where we need the government to come clean and the they might not I am 612 01:00:02,299 --> 01:00:08,510 told that the dead horse incident is not as it has been represented by both the president 613 01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:16,039 and his staff I'm told it wasn't a shoot done in the full sense of the word I'll leave it 614 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:24,400 at that wow well folks interesting times ahead I mean Ross this is why I enjoy working with 615 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,280 you because I mean people I don't know why but people are compelled to tell you the truth 616 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:38,329 and I like that and um and and obviously we have hopeful expectations for this this meeting 617 01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:43,339 of the minds that's going to happen on the 19th and let's hope for the best now before 618 01:00:43,339 --> 01:00:48,720 we go let's just briefly mention there's a new Whitley striper book out called them which 619 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,891 I think you're interested in maybe getting Whitley on at some stage well I just wanted 620 01:00:51,891 --> 01:00:55,799 to give a couple of quick shout outs for some of the things that are out in the cultural 621 01:00:55,799 --> 01:01:00,730 UFO Zeitgeist right now one of them is that Whitley strieber has a new book called them 622 01:01:00,730 --> 01:01:06,500 with a period at the end um and I think it's his most interesting book in in years now 623 01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:11,290 I've read all his books he's written about seven or eight on this topic I believe but 624 01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:16,310 this is the one where he's finally getting a little more uh clear about what he actually 625 01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:22,690 thinks might be going on and it seems to me that after flirting around with the uh more 626 01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:27,660 the more paranormal parts of it he seems to be saying he thinks you got to give a a pretty 627 01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:33,030 strong possibility to the Extraterrestrial angle so that's interesting there's also a 628 01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:38,400 new documentary that's out by uh filmmaker Ron James called accidental truth I just got 629 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,730 a copy of it today to start running and from what I've seen so far if you're one of those 630 01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:49,000 people who would like to sort of brush up and make sure you understand how we got here 631 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,559 from there this does have some of the usual suspects in it that's fine but they tell the 632 01:01:54,559 --> 01:02:02,470 story about where we are right now in 2023 and and frankly focus more from 2017 on so 633 01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:07,369 in that regard it's a really good way to look at it and then my final shout out is of course 634 01:02:07,369 --> 01:02:14,020 Ross I want everyone to understand our URL is need to know dot today not.com but dot 635 01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:23,010 today and with that I'm done foreign we'll see you after the forthcoming Senate armed 636 01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:30,950 services what's the word what's this what's the ET committee called emerging threats committee 637 01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:36,869 coming up right about a week well listen please by that time hopefully by that time Senator 638 01:02:36,869 --> 01:02:42,089 Kirsten gillibrand and other members of the committee will have applied a blowtorch in 639 01:02:42,089 --> 01:02:49,390 the right places sometimes I always end with the this phrase and it may seem inappropriate 640 01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:54,490 sometimes but it's appropriate today which is we can handle the truth People Get Ready 641 01:02:54,490 --> 01:03:02,880 [Music] I'm ready to be told time for secrets [Music] 642 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,880 together 643 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:14,619 [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] we must wait unturned you say too much 644 01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:15,619 [Music] 645 01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:26,510 [Applause] 646 01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:33,060 [Music] you said it will blow my mind 647 01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:46,470 [Music] you say ing things will fall apart no more fears [Music] time for secrets to 648 01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:53,180 unfold sometimes [Music] I need to know [Applause] 649 01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:54,180 [Music] 650 01:04:51,289 --> 01:03:55,180 [Applause] 651 01:04:51,289 --> 01:05:34,430 [Music] we say we need to know [Music] 652 01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:56,000 in other news news 653 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:55,309 tonight that this was no swine saucer Sports is next week 654 01:06:55,309 --> 01:07:00,700 [Applause]